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Uncommon Grounds Acrylic Dispersion Grounds: a.k.a. Gesso

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    • Hi Mary –

      No, it would not cause any problems. It will make the gesso a little less absorbent and likely a touch less opaque if applied thinly, but in terms of adhesion, flexibility, etc, you should be fine.

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    • Hello, Féline.
      We have yet to do formal testing of oils on aluminum panels, but for interior applications, you have several options to start the process. Commercial primers, called DTM, or “Direct to Metal” primers are a good start. These bonding primers will state their use and preparatory instructions to increase adhesion. XIM brand makes several DTM bonding primers you can use, including UMA (Urethane Modified Acrylic) and one called 400 White. You can also use alkyd primers such as those sold by Sherwin Williams and Ben Moore. These primers can be applied, allowed to cure, and then acrylic gesso may be used prior to oil painting. There shouldn’t be anything in the oil that causes issues over the primers and base aluminum panels that we are aware of. We do plan on doing some testing to verify this, at some point in the future!
      – Mike Townsend

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  1. For those of us that are not technical and are just beginning, I wish people would answer a question with a simple yes or no. lol

    Can I use Pebeo Bindex, acrylic binder, to prime a wood panel for oil painting? YES or No.

    Thanks in advance for simplicity!

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    • Unfortunately, we do not have a quick yes or no whether this can be used as a ground for oil paints, as we are not familiar with this product, nor have we ever tested this product. You might consider contacting Pebeo and see if they recommend it in this application.

      We hope this helps!

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  2. Hi! I was wondering if I could get some clarification on tooth. From reading this (“A toothy surface has adequate micro-texture to allow a subsequent coating to physically conform to that texture.”) I take away that the tooth is on a microscopic level and not necessarily a tactile observation. I’ve heard a few painters remark that a gesso that is “slick” to the touch doesn’t have enough tooth to adhere the paint, but is this confusing what tooth actually is? I’ve heard that the Golden acrylic gesso is slicker than others, but is it still toothy on a microscopic level? Thank you!

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    • Hello Tony,

      appologies for our late reply. We have already communicated this trhough the MITRA Forum, but for the sake of other readers here the same reply: A toothy surface isn’t necessarily rough to the touch. On a microscopic level a matte surface shows a fairly toothy terrain. In terms of adhesion even a glossy acrylic underpainting or clear primer will work fine for oils. Acrylic dispersions form relatively porous films and linseed oil can sink into the microscopic pores and anchor. The question of what type of acrylic or oil primer to use is really dependent on personal preference. My colleague Greg Watson wrote a nice article about working with oils over GOLDEN Gesso here: https://justpaint.org/differentiating-between-acrylic-gesso-and-williamsburg-oil-ground/

      Best,
      Mirjam Hintz

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  3. Hi, I work with watercolors and ink and am wondering what kinds of gesso are possible to use.
    Can I use watercolor on a regular acrylic gesso? Do I need a primer with regular gesso?
    What kind of primer should be used with an Absorbent Ground?
    Can a chalk gesso be used with watercolor and other water-based inks and paints instead?
    Would a chalk gesso crack on a stretched canvas?
    Can acrylic ink and/or acrylic paint be used with watercolors on the Absorbent Ground?

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    • Hello Alice, thank you for your question. We have not tested a wide range of inks, but we can speak to the use of watercolor. Diluted transparent watercolor can be used on acrylic gesso with lovely results, if allowance is provided for the difference in how the paint interacts with a less absorbent and differently-textured surface. An example of this would be how easily it is to lift dry watercolor from a gessoed surface which in turn makes glazing almost impossible. It might be necessary to modify techniques for the new surface. Modification of techniques is also helpful for the acrylic-based watercolor grounds that are currently being marketed (ours can be found here). These surfaces will all interact with diluted watercolor differently than paper does, and so are best thought of as avenues for exploration in different directions rather than substitutions for paper. ON these surfaces, often lifting color is easy, glazing is difficult, and using a less loaded brush makes it easier to control the diluted watercolor paint. We would not recommend combining or layering rabbit skin glue gesso and acrylic gesso. We have not tested painting with watercolor on rabbit skin glue gesso, but suspect the water-sensitivity of the ground might complicate applications. Please email us at [email protected] if you have more questions, and happy painting!

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    • Hello Alice, when working on stretched canvas with watercolor or gouache, no matter the ground used on the surface (including adhered watercolor paper) we recommend that the paints be used in the style of transparent watercolor, in other words greatly diluted with water. Thicker applications of these paints might crack or even pop off of a flexible surface. We recommend testing on the intended type of surface before use for an artwork, and that would include testing the combination of any mixed media and the planned method of protecting the surface if that is needed.

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      • Thanks very much, Cathy. Now I am much less confused about working on canvas with watercolor and inks. Acrylics on any kind won’t work on an oil ground at all.
        -I am beginning with raw canvas after working for a number of years on mostly hot press watercolor paper.

        I found the following information online recently-
        -I use watercolors as a first layer, then pour and paint acrylic inks. I work very wet often.
        -and I can apply gesso to the raw canvas and then a layer of watercolor ground onto the gesso
        —Will synthetic ox gall be useful to try with this preparation? I have never used it before.

        Might the Watercolor Medium be used to make it less likely to crack? (upon the watercolor ground before painting with watercolor and pouring acrylic inks)

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        • Hello Alice,
          We do have a Just Paint article on the QoR Mediums.
          We think we answered most of this comment in the post above this one. Watercolor Medium may make watercolor paint less likely to crack when the paint is thickly applied, but we still recommend using thicker applications of watercolor and gouache on a rigid surface. In addition, all of our tests of varnishing watercolor have involved traditional transparent watercolor applications on paper or watercolor grounds. We do not have recommendations for how to protect a thickly applied layer of watercolor that will not be behind glass. We also have not tested any of our products with acrylic inks. We have tested with alcohol inks, and found the results to be unpredictable.

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  4. Thanks very much, Cathy. Now I am much less confused about working on canvas with watercolor and inks. Acrylics on any kind won’t work on an oil ground at all.
    -I am beginning with raw canvas after working for a number of years on mostly hot press watercolor paper.

    I found the following information online recently-
    -I use watercolors as a first layer, then pour and paint acrylic inks. I work very wet often.
    -and I can apply gesso to the raw canvas and then a layer of watercolor ground onto the gesso
    —Will synthetic ox gall be useful to try with this preparation? I have never used it before.

    Might the Watercolor Medium be used to make it less likely to crack? (upon the watercolor ground before painting with watercolor and pouring acrylic inks)

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    • Hello Alice,
      If a heavily diluted layer of watercolor is beading up on a surface, adding a little surfactant to the water used to dilute paint may help the wash ‘wet out’ the surface without beading up. Synthetic Ox Gall and Ox Gall are both concentrated surfactants, and should only be used by first diluting with water. A starting ratio for QoR’s product is 2-5 drops in eight ounces of water. Surfactants do not improve adhesion. We would consider layering watercolor and acrylics to be experimental. We do recommend using Gesso before using QoR Watercolor Medium. We hope this is helpful, and if you have more questions, please email the Golden Materials team at [email protected].

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