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Recent QoR Lightfast Testing

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  1. I find it fantastic that you make such a big database accessible to your customers. It is great to be able to compare so many swatches. Only one thing I personally would have changed. I would have preferred to see the tests on high quality paper. When looking at the diluted Ultramarin Pink or Ultramarin Violet, it is clear that the paper yellowed more than the Pigment. But with the colors with higher tinting strength, this is not clearly distinguishable anymore and is not clear how much is paper change and how much is Pigment change. And it might seem that the color has changed, while in reality it is the paper. Kind regards,

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    • Thanks for the feedback Mara. We intentionally used a student-grade quality paper to start this testing so as to have results that were more critical of the paints and less reliant on the paper for good results. You are correct that as you dilute the watercolor the paper will have more exposure. We are planning to test the paper independently to see what that looks like without the watercolor and in the future we hope to expand upon this testing by including additional papers to see how this might affect lightfastness. This is the first step and these points you bring up are great next steps for us to consider. Thanks for reaching out, we appreciate the feedback! Warm Regards.

      Scott

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  2. Thank you so much for posting this, very useful and informative!

    I saw the result for Titan Buff in your acrylics before, odd that it reacts with the Xenon acceleration as I don’t think iron oxides or titanium white on their own do?

    The PG7 result is very odd though, never heard of this issue in any other lightfastness testing and results..?

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    • Hello Richard, Thanks for the interest. We did not see this same darkening with Titanium White or with Iron Oxides in our testing. The Phthalo Green Blue Shade was an outlier as it showed this darkening only in the application that was minimally tinted with white. The Spectro read it as a shift towards red and a darkening in value, visually it is noticeable, but it is nice to see the visual next to the Delta E to compare. It tested well under the other test conditions, so it was an interesting result we will keep our eye on.

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  3. Thanks for sharing this information! The results about Titan Buff are a little disturbing… is this darkening also likely to manifest in acrylics?

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    • Hello Asaf,

      We have seen some similar darkening in the media we have tested, including oils and acrylics. Lightfastness is strongly pigment dependent, while there can be some role the binder plays, pigments will often test similarly in terms of lightfastness in different binder systems.

      Scott

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      • Thanks Scott. I think it’s worth noting that somewhere in the paint descriptions, particularly because there are alternative mixtures which are likely safer.

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        • Hello Asaf, thank you for the suggestion, we will pass this up the chain. You could certainly make a mixture that resembles this color if there is concern. While we have tried this ourselves on many occasions with a variety of colors, matching a single pigment color is not an easy task. There is the color quality, but also the performance properties that are unique to a pigment. We will put this to the team again though and add it to our New Product Idea bank!

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          • Thanks Scott. No further questions! I think my rational was not clear though. So for future readers who found themselves reading this far :):

            Up until reading these findings, my understanding was that in terms of lightfastness, a single first-grade lightfast pigment is always preferable to a connivance mixture, especially if the later includes a white pigment. For illustrations, following this principle I considered the cool counterpart of titan buff (titan green pale) somewhat inferior (not suggesting the use case is similar of course).

            Even more importantly for this case (and I guess this still holds true most of the time), my understanding was that mixtures become less lightfast the more white they contain.

            Coming back to titan buff, I personally almost never use it as-is. Instead I have often used it for warm tinting or as a base warm light layer. For this reason matching the very exact hue is not a major concern for me, surely not as much as having a reliable warming tinter that doesn’t loose its warming or tinting qualities over time. If that’s not the case, a connivance mixture (bought or homemade) may turn out to be the superior.

          • Hello Asaf, this would have been a conclusion we might have come to as well, were it not for this new round of testing. It seems that the tints affect some edge case colors, but by an large they perform quite well. Perhaps a mixture that approximates the Titan Buff could be an option for opaque applications of watercolor if an artist needed it, but in dilutions it looks pretty good. Depending upon technique, adjusting temperature of a color for a dilute watercolor application using Titan Buff seems on the table. Hopefully the results offer enough context to make these types of decisions. Thanks for getting back to us!

  4. Thank you for performing this testing and thank you even more for posting every color. Your transparency as a company, and commitment to improving your products, is unparalleled. I am particularly impressed there is no change to PR177 or PB27. I have seen many amateur tests on YouTube that easily document fading in these pigments in other brands.

    I have heard people say your versions of many paints are more lightfast; but have never heard it explained how that is achieved. Do you use additives or some other method to achieve higher lightfastness?

    Thanks again for your spectacular products, and the testing to back them up!

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    • Hello Jenn,

      We are happy this is of value. That is why we publish this stuff so folks can reference it as needed! We are selective of the pigments we use, so there can be a range in the market for performance and we choose ones that have the best lightfastness and color quality. This amounts to a lot of testing basically. We do not use additives for lightfastness as it it mainly a quality of the pigment itself. Varnishing could be done to add some UV filtering if needed at the end.

      Cheers,

      Scott

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